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Tom Higgins from the mothership, checkin' in... 

Cheers,
Tom

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Just checking to see who beat me in . . .

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Thank Allan! A real-honest-to goodness list, not some cheesy 
newsgroup. I don't know how people can stand them. Plus, Eudora don't 
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>Tom Higgins from the mothership, checkin' in...


I see that this list, unlike dirgames, is set up to reply to the 
poster and not the list. Can that be changed?


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>Thank Allan! A real-honest-to goodness list, not some cheesy 
>newsgroup. I don't know how people can stand them. Plus, Eudora 
>don't do newsgroups and I absolutely refuse to switch to Outlook...


Me too.


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> >Thank Allan! A real-honest-to goodness list, not some cheesy 
> >newsgroup. I don't know how people can stand them. Plus, Eudora 
> >don't do newsgroups and I absolutely refuse to switch to Outlook...
> 
> 
> Me too.

I dunno what's so cheesy about newsgroups (I don't mind 'em so much), but I'd still like to give many thanks to Allen for firing up this list. Glad to see y'all here!

Cheers,
Tom

.

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wearing any pants.

Just testing.


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At 09:21 -0700 8/21/02, Darrel Plant wrote:
>Thank Allan!

I meant Allen, of course...
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Uhmmm....you left your Web cam on...


> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> wearing any pants.
> 

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On 8/21/02 12:37 PM, "Kraig Mentor" <kmentor@macromedia.com> decreed thusly:

> Uhmmm....you left your Web cam on...

Well, I didn't say WHAT I was testing.

And no, that's not a zoom lens baby.


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Hello ladies and gentlemen

Let me present myself. I am Jonas2. From Denmark.
I am new on this list, and I bring no harm.
What is the current topic?
Who's got what problems?
Bring 'em on!
Thanx to master'n'server Allen-with-an-e.
This is a good initiative.

L8r,
/jonz




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Yep, Hang on a sec...

> From: Colin Holgate <colin@funnygarbage.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:23:24 -0400
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> 
>> Tom Higgins from the mothership, checkin' in...
> 
> 
> I see that this list, unlike dirgames, is set up to reply to the
> poster and not the list. Can that be changed?
> 
> 
> -- 
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On 8/21/02 12:47 PM, "Jonas Brink Worsøe" <jonas@savannah.dk> decreed
thusly:

> I am Jonas2.


What happened to Jonas1?


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I've changed the setting though  it may take a minute to work through the
system.

--al


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While I'm not Colin it appears fixed on my end. Replies go to the list, not the sender.

Cheers,
Tom

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> What happened to Jonas1?

His father, evidently.



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>I've changed the setting though  it may take a minute to work through the
>system.
>
>--al


It's already fixed, thanks.


-- 

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That would be Mr. Beckeman. Eventually he participated more than me on DirGames-L, so to avoid the foreseen confusion I generously promoted him to #1. However, he hasn't been too visible lately, so perhaps I should reclaim the title. I don't think he cares anyway.
/jonZ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: g r i m m w e r k s <grimmwerks@grimmwerks.com>


> On 8/21/02 12:47 PM, "Jonas Brink Worsøe" <jonas@savannah.dk> decreed
> thusly:
> 
> > I am Jonas2.
> 
> 
> What happened to Jonas1?
> 



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Whaaassssaaaaappppp????????

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From Mal:
> Whaaassssaaaaappppp????????

Oh no, there goes the neighborhood... ;)

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What's a neighbourhood without a good ol' Irish bar!!! :)

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> Whaaassssaaaaappppp????????

Oh no, there goes the neighborhood... ;)

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Shouldn't that mean your game should be called Bottom's Up instead of Ball's
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> From: Peri Cumali <cosmopup@netscape.net>

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> Booo

Thanks scary Peri.
Looking at the riff raff in here so far, this list could be fun.

For some reason my email address isn't appearing in the searchable archives.
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raff raff raff

berndt


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... :)

Danke Bernd, for the info
thanks Allen!

Maria


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;-).. I didn't see any messages, just checking if my subscription works.

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Peri

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Something to look at and inevitably break arrives! This is just a test, and
has umpteen things missing, but hey! At least there's something for the list
to have a goosey gander at:

http://www.milan.net/dev/pele36.htm

(when you see the text 'loading done', press the mouse button vigorously
until the game kicks in).

Controls: Arrow keys and the SPACE BAR.

The keeper always dives to his left at the moment.

Anyway..... my primary concern at this time is speed, and how best to
improve performance. It crawls on a Mac in particular, I'm afraid.

Milan x



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Well if your just trolling for a fix, some of you may not
know that I've begun reviewing 3D Shockwave and 
pseudo 3D Flash Games on director-3d.com 
http://www.director-3d.com/ - there's
also a chance to vote in the latest poll question...
If you haven't been there since it changed color - 
it's probably been too long. 

;)

al

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> 
> >
> >
> >http://www.milan.net/dev/pele36.htm
> >
> 
> Errors..... Value out of range
> 
> 
> 
> stuart m. acklam
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> || cd rom | kiosk | games | education | presentation
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> Something to look at and inevitably break arrives! This is just a test,
and
> has umpteen things missing, but hey! At least there's something for the
list
> to have a goosey gander at:

Looks nice here, but I couldn't work out how the control worked - looked
like the same amount of power produced different results at different times,
and sometimes pressing up made a difference while sometimes it didn't

Danny


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My first post to the new list ... hi y'all ...

Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of Zombie
Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review, too, if
anyone would like to do that!

The idea of reviewing Shockwave games is a good one, since there aren't
really any sites that give online games the full review treatment. It'd
probably help promote Shockwave as a serious gaming platform, too...

All power to the new list (new world ordered list???! ;) sorry...)

Parrot (who has really given it up, but keeps appearing and putting new
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Well if your just trolling for a fix, some of you may not
know that I've begun reviewing 3D Shockwave and
pseudo 3D Flash Games on director-3d.com
http://www.director-3d.com/ - there's
also a chance to vote in the latest poll question...
If you haven't been there since it changed color -
it's probably been too long.

;)

al

Allen Partridge
Insight Interactive Games - http://insight.director-3d.com

Contribute to the Director 3D Community:
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> Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of Zombie
> Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review, too,
if
> anyone would like to do that!

I love it - but incidentally, in the Instructions page, I get 'Healt
h' and 'Nex
t'

;)
Danny




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Hmmm ... not sure what you mean, is it a font issue? Does the text seem
really ugly, out of place and big???

:)

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> Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of Zombie
> Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review, too,
if
> anyone would like to do that!

I love it - but incidentally, in the Instructions page, I get 'Healt
h' and 'Nex
t'

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The text is fine on my computer!

Mal

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Hmmm ... not sure what you mean, is it a font issue? Does the text seem
really ugly, out of place and big???

:)

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> Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of
Zombie
> Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review,
too,
if
> anyone would like to do that!

I love it - but incidentally, in the Instructions page, I get 'Healt
h' and 'Nex
t'

;)
Danny



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Hi Parrot,

Love the game, but what happened to the multiuser version? Did 
latency make you give up? I would really like to hear about your 
experiences on this, as I am sure I am not alone in being unsure what 
can _realistically_ be done with 3D & the MUS...

Vegard Hofsoy



>My first post to the new list ... hi y'all ...
>
>Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of Zombie
>Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review, too, if
>anyone would like to do that!
>
>The idea of reviewing Shockwave games is a good one, since there aren't
>really any sites that give online games the full review treatment. It'd
>probably help promote Shockwave as a serious gaming platform, too...
>
>All power to the new list (new world ordered list???! ;) sorry...)
>
>Parrot (who has really given it up, but keeps appearing and putting new
>stuff on his website)
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dir3d-l-admin@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu
>[mailto:dir3d-l-admin@nuttybar.drama.uga.edu]On Behalf Of Allen
>Partridge
>Sent: 22 August 2002 11:00
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>Subject: Re: [Dir3d-l] so where's all the hot 3d action ?
>
>
>Well if your just trolling for a fix, some of you may not
>know that I've begun reviewing 3D Shockwave and
>pseudo 3D Flash Games on director-3d.com
>http://www.director-3d.com/ - there's
>also a chance to vote in the latest poll question...
>If you haven't been there since it changed color -
>it's probably been too long.
>
>;)
>
>al
>
>Allen Partridge
>Insight Interactive Games - http://insight.director-3d.com
>
>Contribute to the Director 3D Community:
>Submit news, tutorials & code to http://www.director-3d.com/
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> Hmmm ... not sure what you mean, is it a font issue? Does the text seem
> really ugly, out of place and big???

No, the font looks fine, but the text box containing it seems to be too
small (probably just a pixel out of place or something). My inclination is
always to give text boxes somewhat more width than they actually need,
unless I absolutely need soft returns there.

Danny


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Well, to be honest ...

Everything went pretty well. The tests went well, with people able to run
around shooting each other albeit a little jerky with the movements. What I
started doing was writing some prediction code to use the velocity/speed
data to move players in a much smoother way. I got about half way through
this ...

Then I just ran out of steam! Yep, I flaked. Perhaps I'll pick it up later,
since it's totally do-able(!) but I just don't have the drive/time/energy to
do it. If someone wanted to sponsor it of course it'd be a different story,
but I have decided to just write things I can finish within a day to a week-
mainly to populate psychicparrot.com with more stuff in the hope that some
day I'll go get enough business making games to pay the bills (!ha!yeah,
right!).. since paying the bills is about writing/skinning mainly small,
insignificant games I thought I'd add some to the portfolio!!

As far as I can see, if I ever got around to finishing the optimisation code
there would be no problem with this kind of game, though...

:) Parrot.



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Hi Parrot,

Love the game, but what happened to the multiuser version? Did
latency make you give up? I would really like to hear about your
experiences on this, as I am sure I am not alone in being unsure what
can _realistically_ be done with 3D & the MUS...

Vegard Hofsoy



>My first post to the new list ... hi y'all ...
>
>Sorry for shameless self-promotion, but you can see 3d Castle Of Zombie
>Monsters at http://www.psychicparrot.com - I'd love to see a review, too,
if
>anyone would like to do that!
>
>The idea of reviewing Shockwave games is a good one, since there aren't
>really any sites that give online games the full review treatment. It'd
>probably help promote Shockwave as a serious gaming platform, too...
>
>All power to the new list (new world ordered list???! ;) sorry...)
>
>Parrot (who has really given it up, but keeps appearing and putting new
>stuff on his website)
>
>
>
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>Well if your just trolling for a fix, some of you may not
>know that I've begun reviewing 3D Shockwave and
>pseudo 3D Flash Games on director-3d.com
>http://www.director-3d.com/ - there's
>also a chance to vote in the latest poll question...
>If you haven't been there since it changed color -
>it's probably been too long.
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>;)
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>al
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Hi Dir3D'rs,

Nice job on the game and parrot. And the 3D soccer demo is looking good.
Just keep working on that interface.

For those who have never seen my 3D demos:

2D/3D/multiuser demo
http://www.entermation.com/minido/

3D maya scene with lingo enhancements and render options
http://www.entermation.com/staging/temple.htm

Shockwave3D/Character Studio Biped demo based on 'pedestrian' public art
project
http://www.pedestrianweb.org/demo.htm

I've done two other professional 3D jobs that I cannot show because of
NDAs, but I can say that one was for GEN.com's Alexander the Great
course, and the other was for vandam.com
Don't ask me why they don't have online demos. It's nuts if you ask me!

Glad to see some familiar faces, and new ones too! Welcome!

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i am trying to set a texture within a parent...

1st.. i have the models: (model("row1") being the parent of 
model("row1plane1") )
row1
-- row1plane1
-- row1plane2
-- etc

so.. i try and set the texture of the model("row1plane1")
BUT! all models within the parents change!

i have tried:
w.model("row1plane1").shader.texture = member(1, 1).texture( "stuart2")
w.model("row1").child[2].shader.texture = member(1, 1).texture( "stuart2")


what i did think of is to break the child/parent relationship.. but HOW?
member(1, 1).model("row1plane1").parent = ""
director takes the command without error! but no joy! doesn´t seem to do 
anything!


thx in advance!

s.



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> BUT! all models within the parents change!

That's because they all use the same shader.
You can either make a seperate shader for all of them,
or do a cloneDeep(), but that clones everything, so the
shader,modelresource, (textures? not sure about that, I never use
cloneDeep)..

below is a script that clones a shader, as the mm people forgot that for
some strange reason.. I haven't really tested it out that much, it has
worked for all my project, small chance that I'm forgetting to copy over
some obscure member.

Bye, Lucas


Doh, can't find the source... here is a source that duplicates a w3d mesh
to a lingo mesh..  the shaderdupe is somewhere in there.. sorry..

on duplicateW3D tSource
  -- create w3d
  tW3D=new(#shockwave3d)
  
  -- duplicate all texturemaps  (all texturemaps need to be present as
castmembers named, just as the texturemaps in the source w3d are.
  repeat with i=2 to tSource.texture.count

tW3D.newTexture(tSource.texture[i].name,#fromCastMember,member(tSource.texture[i].name))
  end repeat
  
  -- duplicate models
  tDuplicatedResources=[]  
  tDuplicatedShaders=[]
  repeat with i=1 to tSource.model.count
    tModel=tSource.model[i]
    -- check if the modelresource is already dup'ed
    tResource=tDuplicatedResources.getOne(tModel.resource.name)
    if tResource<>0 then
      -- get cached
      tResouce=tW3D.modelResource(tModel.resource.name)
    else
      -- resource hasn't been dup'ed yet, duping now.      
      tSourceResource=tModel.resource
      tVertices=[]
      tNormals=[]
      tUVs=[]
      tColors=[]
      tFaces=[]
      tOffset=0
      
      tModel.addModifier(#meshDeform)
      repeat with ii=1 to tModel.meshDeform.mesh.count
        myAppend(tVertices,tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].vertexList)
        myAppend(tNormals,tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].normalList)
        myAppend(tColors,tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].colorList)
        myAppend(tUVs,tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].textureCoordinateList)
        repeat with iii=1 to tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].face.count
          t=tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].face[iii]
          t.append(ii)
          tFaces.append(t+[tOffset,tOffset,tOffset,0])
        end repeat
        tOffset=tOffset+tModel.meshDeform.mesh[ii].vertexList.count
      end repeat
      

tResource=tW3D.newMesh(tSourceResource.name,tFaces.count,tVertices.count,tNormals.count,tColors.count,tUVs.count)
      tResource.vertexList=tVertices
      tResource.normalList=tNormals
      tResource.colorList=tColors
      tResource.textureCoordinateList=tUVs
      repeat with ii=1 to tFaces.count
        tFaceIndices=[tFaces[ii][1],tFaces[ii][2],tFaces[ii][3]]
        tResource.face[ii].vertices=tFaceIndices
        tResource.face[ii].normals=tFaceIndices
        tResource.face[ii].colors=tFaceIndices
        tResource.face[ii].textureCoordinates=tFaceIndices
        tResource.face[ii].shader=tModel.shaderlist[tFaces[ii][4]]
      end repeat
      tResource.build()
      tDuplicatedResources.append(tResource.name)
    end if
    
    -- duplicate shaders
    tShaders=[]
    
    repeat with ii=1 to tModel.shaderlist.count
      tShader=tDuplicatedShaders.getOne(tModel.shaderlist[ii].name)
      if tShader<>0 then
        -- get cached shader
        tShader=tW3D.shader(tModel.shaderlist[ii].name)
        tShaders.append(tShader)   
      else
        -- dupe the shader
        tShader=tW3D.newShader(tModel.shaderlist[ii].name,#standard)
        tSourceShader=tModel.shaderlist[ii]
        --fill in properties
        tShader.ambient=tSourceShader.ambient
        tShader.diffuse=tSourceShader.diffuse
        tShader.usediffusewithtexture=tSourceShader.usediffusewithtexture
        tShader.specular=tSourceShader.specular
        tShader.emissive=tSourceShader.emissive
        tShader.shininess=tSourceShader.shininess
        tShader.blend=tSourceShader.blend
        tShader.transparent=tSourceShader.transparent
        tShader.renderStyle=tSourceShader.renderStyle
        tShader.flat=tSourceShader.flat
        iii=1
        repeat while tSourceShader.textureList[iii]<>VOID

tShader.textureList[iii]=tW3D.texture(tSourceShader.textureList[iii].name)
          tShader.textureModeList[iii]=tSourceShader.textureModeList[iii]

tShader.wrapTransformList[iii]=tSourceShader.wrapTransformList[iii]

tShader.textureTransformList[iii]=tSourceShader.textureTransformList[iii]

tShader.blendFunctionList[iii]=tSourceShader.blendFunctionList[iii]
          tShader.blendSourceList[iii]=tSourceShader.blendSourceList[iii]

tShader.blendConstantList[iii]=tSourceShader.blendConstantList[iii]

tShader.textureRepeatList[iii]=tSourceShader.textureRepeatList[iii]
          iii=iii+1
        end repeat
      end if        
      tShaders.append(tShader)     
      tDuplicatedShaders.append(tShader.name)
    end repeat
    
    tNewModel=tW3D.newModel(tModel.name,tResource)
    tNewModel.transform=tModel.transform
    tNewModel.shaderlist=tShaders
  end repeat
  
  -- duplicate cameras
  repeat with i=1 to tSource.camera.count
    
    tSourceCamera=tSource.camera[i]
    if i>1 then
      tNewCamera=tW3D.newCamera(tSource.camera[i])
    else
      tNewCamera=tW3d.camera[1]
    end if
    tNewCamera.transform=tSourceCamera.transform
    tNewCamera.hither=tSourceCamera.hither
    tNewCamera.yon=tSourceCamera.yon
    tNewCamera.rect=tSourceCamera.rect
    tNewCamera.fieldOfView=tSourceCamera.fieldOfView
    tNewCamera.projection=tSourceCamera.projection
    tNewCamera.orthoheight=tSourceCamera.orthoheight

tNewCamera.colorbuffer.clearAtRender=tSourceCamera.colorbuffer.clearAtRender
    tNewCamera.colorbuffer.clearValue=tSourceCamera.colorbuffer.clearValue
  end repeat
  
  -- duplicate lights
  repeat while tW3D.light.count>0
    tW3D.deleteLight(1)
  end repeat
  repeat with i=1 to tSource.light.count
    tOldLight=tSource.light[i]
    tLight=tW3D.newLight(tOldLight.name,tOldLight.type)    
    case tOldLight.type of
      #ambient:
        tLight.color=tOldLight.color
      #directional:
        tLight.color=tOldLight.color
        tLight.specular=tOldLight.specular
        tLight.transform=tOldLight.transform
      #spot:
        tLight.color=tOldLight.color
        tLight.specular=tOldLight.specular
        tLight.transform=tOldLight.transform
        tLight.spotAngle=tOldLight.spotAngle
        tLight.attenuation=tOldLight.attenuation
        tLight.spotdecay=tOldLight.spotdecay
      #point:
        tLight.color=tOldLight.color
        tLight.specular=tOldLight.specular
        tLight.transform=tOldLight.transform
    end case
  end repeat
  
end  







on myAppend(l1,l2)
  repeat with I in l2
    l1.append(I)
  end repeat
end


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s m ack - stuart acklam wrote:

> so.. i try and set the texture of the model("row1plane1")
> BUT! all models within the parents change!

 >
 > i have tried:
 > w.model("row1plane1").shader.texture = member(1, 1).texture( "stuart2")
 > w.model("row1").child[2].shader.texture = member(1, 1).texture( 
"stuart2")

	Does the models have different shaders or they use tha same? Note that 
you´re not actually trying to change the texture of_the_model. you´re 
changing the texture of the shader that is using that model.


> what i did think of is to break the child/parent relationship.. but HOW?
> member(1, 1).model("row1plane1").parent = ""
> director takes the command without error! but no joy! doesn´t seem to do 
> anything!


	Setting to VOID (not "") the parent, would be the same that using 
removeFromWorld() with the node. This should do it:

member(1, 1).model("row1plane1").parent = member(1, 1).group("world")

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At 15:29 22.08.2002 +0200, you wrote:
>That's because they all use the same shader.
>You can either make a seperate shader for all of them,

SOLVED!   thanks a bunch!... GREAT!
i will play around with the shader props later!

   -- number of screens
   ang = 360 / numOfScreens
   repeat with i = 1 to (numOfScreens-1)
     -- clone the planes in the circle!
     cm = m.clone( (wchName&"plane") & (i+1))
     cm.rotate(vector(0, (ang*i), 0), mBox)

     sh = (wchName&"_shad"& i)
     mn = (wchName&"plane"&i+1)
     tn = (wchName&"_pic"&i)

     nn = random(27)+100
     w.newTexture( (tn),#fromCastMember, member(nn, 1) )
     w.texture(tn).quality = #low

     w.newShader(sh,#standard)
     w.model(mn).shader = w.shader(sh)
     w.model(mn).shader.texture = w.texture( tn )
     w.model(mn).shader.textureMode = #none
     w.model(mn).shader.emissive = rgb(200, 200, 200)

   end repeat



thanks again!


stuart m. acklam
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<html>
At 15:29 22.08.2002 +0200, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>That's because they all use the
same shader.<br>
You can either make a seperate shader for all of them,</blockquote><br>
SOLVED!&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks a bunch!... GREAT!<br>
i will play around with the shader props later!<br><br>
<font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp;
</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#C80000">-- number of
screens&nbsp; <br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp; ang
=</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
360</font><font face="Courier, Courier"> / numOfScreens<br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#0000C8">&nbsp; repeat
with</font><font face="Courier, Courier"> i
=</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
1</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#0000C8">
to</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
(numOfScreens-</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">1</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#C80000">-- clone the planes
in the circle!<br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; cm =
m.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">clone</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(
(wchName&amp;</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">&quot;plane&quot;</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)
&amp;
(i+</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">1</font><font face="Courier, Courier">))<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
cm.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">rotate</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">vector</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">0</font><font face="Courier, Courier">,
(ang*i),</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
0</font><font face="Courier, Courier">), mBox)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sh =
(wchName&amp;</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">&quot;_shad&quot;</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&amp;
i)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mn =
(wchName&amp;</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">&quot;plane&quot;</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&amp;i+</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">1</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tn =
(wchName&amp;</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">&quot;_pic&quot;</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&amp;i)<br>
&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; nn
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random</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">27</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)+</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">100<br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">newTexture</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(
(tn),</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">#fromCastMember</font><font face="Courier, Courier">,</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">
member</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(nn,</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
1</font><font face="Courier, Courier">) )<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">texture</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(tn).</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">quality</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
=</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000"> #low<br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">newShader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(sh,</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">#standard</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">model</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(mn).</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">shader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
=
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">shader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(sh)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">model</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(mn).</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">shader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">texture</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
=
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">texture</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(
tn )<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">model</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(mn).</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">shader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">textureMode</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
=</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000"> #none<br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
w.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">model</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(mn).</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">shader</font><font face="Courier, Courier">.</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">emissive</font><font face="Courier, Courier">
=</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#008000">
rgb</font><font face="Courier, Courier">(</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">200</font><font face="Courier, Courier">,</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
200</font><font face="Courier, Courier">,</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#808080">
200</font><font face="Courier, Courier">)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
</font><font face="Courier, Courier" color="#0000C8">&nbsp; end
repeat<br><br>
<br><br>
</font>thanks again!<br><br>
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Hi,

nice to see You all here,

I have got a new Zong Update online.


http://www.pictofun.de/zong.htm

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Changes:

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Parrot - I just had to say a quick "Thank you so much" for the excellent
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